tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post3305853780623286334..comments2024-03-19T00:14:32.863-07:00Comments on 48 Minutes of Hell: Mr. Horry Goes to Springfield: An Extended ConversationGraydonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07425068982352114271noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-28992363505868089542008-11-27T17:16:00.000-08:002008-11-27T17:16:00.000-08:00Those Celtics role players should not have been HO...Those Celtics role players should not have been HOFers in the first place. But because they are, it doesn't mean that Horry should be. Two wrongs do not make a right. <BR/><BR/>Here's an alternative: The Lakers and/or the Spurs should retire his number though. The Spurs are probably more likely to do that since he destroyed Detroit that one game and the Lakers didn't even retire Goodrich's number until AFTER he made the HOF.Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10339170550194113794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-41541779795897414182008-11-27T10:15:00.000-08:002008-11-27T10:15:00.000-08:00Did this dave guy seriously compare Robert Horry t...Did this dave guy seriously compare Robert Horry to Mariano Rivera and Adam V.???? This idiot seriously lost all logic in his argument.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01861309307526200560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-24297550030312433092008-11-26T22:23:00.000-08:002008-11-26T22:23:00.000-08:00should a player who doesn't show up consistently i...should a player who doesn't show up consistently in the regular season and only show up 1-2 games in the playoff every year to go into HoF? I would vote for Steve Kerr to go to HoF if that's the case. Jordan wouldn't win 6 titles without him.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05661708775028262721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-3170999424022067442008-11-26T15:17:00.000-08:002008-11-26T15:17:00.000-08:00Colonel D,I make fun of the '99 season because I l...Colonel D,<BR/><BR/>I make fun of the '99 season because I live in Houston and too many people nearby are Spurs fans. I can't help myself.<BR/><BR/>Also, I firmly believe that Shaq would never have been traded to Miami in the first place without those 3 rings to help his cause... if by 2004, Shaq was still ringless, he'd have been seen a mammoth NBA bust for his stature. Horry helped him in ways you can't even measure. Of course, such things can never be *proven* - for this isn't exactly a science experiment.grungedavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03618624498084343808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-40831478467056987292008-11-26T14:17:00.000-08:002008-11-26T14:17:00.000-08:00Dave seems to like to use aggression to help make ...Dave seems to like to use aggression to help make his point.<BR/><BR/>Shaq would have zero rings without Horry, including the one with Miami? That is a ridiculous statement. How are you going to even halfway prove that? I think he won a ring in Miami because he played with Wade, not because Horry's spirit was with him or something.<BR/><BR/>Also, ridiculing the 1999 season is childish. 82 games if anything is too long of a season. The Spurs went on one of the great runs of all time to finish the year, and it started in the regular season, not the playoffs. I doubt you would have taken a jab at the 99 title if some other team won that you did like.<BR/><BR/>Horry in the HOF is a great debate, but it's great because it can go either way. You ruin the argument by going to such ludicrous extremes.Colonel D. Williams (Ret.)https://www.blogger.com/profile/17969380741938434034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-515892126952802032008-11-26T11:30:00.000-08:002008-11-26T11:30:00.000-08:00Kurt said : HOFs will their team to a win. Well ma...Kurt said : HOFs will their team to a win. Well making clutch shots is sort of willing the win. We will never know who all else could have made that shot on multiple teams over 15 years. I guess coz there is nobody else :P.<BR/><BR/>Horry is no shaq or kobe or duncan. But willing the team to win in the playoffs. I think he is right up there with them in contribution on team. If believing and faith are important in the playoffs, then having a Horry on your team, yer already thinking about the second round lol.<BR/><BR/>BTW, just for record, Horry single handedly one of the game 5's for Spurs in 2005 or 07...can't remember. He took over in fourth or so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-30856533788410334662008-11-26T07:22:00.000-08:002008-11-26T07:22:00.000-08:00"KC Jones has more rings than Jerry West. No sane ..."KC Jones has more rings than Jerry West. No sane person would maintain that Jones was the better player."<BR/><BR/>KC Jones is in the HOF.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for making my point for me...grungedavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03618624498084343808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-30586281800942914402008-11-25T20:28:00.000-08:002008-11-25T20:28:00.000-08:00Not that many were won by Horry's clutch shooting,...Not that many were won by Horry's clutch shooting, and arguably most of those would still have been won if they'd had a better player than Horry for the other 47 minutes of the game. None of this is a knock on Horry. He was a good player, earned his money, and had some tremendous games. That's not enough to earn the HoF, which should be reserved for the elite.<BR/><BR/>Way way way too much is made of the 7 rings. I say, BFD. KC Jones has more rings than Jerry West. No sane person would maintain that Jones was the better player.<BR/><BR/>Yes, Horry was instrumental. So were Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, Bruce Bowen, and others. Being instrumental is not enough. It's about being essential. The Lakers could have won just as many championships without Horry. They could not have won just as many without Magic, Kareem, Shaq, or Kobe.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14971933786557185131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-80034500754717458442008-11-25T18:01:00.000-08:002008-11-25T18:01:00.000-08:00Er...Brian Shaw* Haha i had Shaq on the mind I gue...Er...Brian Shaw* Haha i had Shaq on the mind I guess.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-13661970876686137712008-11-25T17:46:00.000-08:002008-11-25T17:46:00.000-08:00Let me preface this by saying that Robert Horry i...Let me preface this by saying that Robert Horry is one of my favorite players ever.<BR/><BR/>But to say Kobe and Shaq could not have won any championships without Horry? That is absolutely ludicrous. I think you're reaching just a bit with that one. Kobe and Shaq are two of the greatest players of all time and combined to make one of the most unstoppable duos this league has ever seen. As an avid Lakers fan, I'll venture to say that they undoubtedly would have found a way to win at least one title without him. Horry needed Shaq and Kobe a whole lot more than they needed him. <BR/><BR/>Going by your logic, you could make the argument that the Lakers would not have won the title in 2000 without Brian Shaq. Because as your remember, he was instrumental in that Game 7 comeback against Portland. But that's one game. One game a title does not make.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-53824661174813129242008-11-25T16:12:00.000-08:002008-11-25T16:12:00.000-08:00How many playoff games did Horry play?How many of ...How many playoff games did Horry play?<BR/><BR/>How many of those were won by Horry's clutch shooting?<BR/><BR/>And lastly, could you have won more games if you had some other player than Horry playing?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04937996613333566769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-24322868991242785932008-11-25T14:26:00.000-08:002008-11-25T14:26:00.000-08:00Grunge,"Robert Horry was a "specialist" (in fact, ...Grunge,<BR/>"Robert Horry was a "specialist" (in fact, the best specialist) at knocking down clutch shots to win playoff series."<BR/><BR/>OK, how many playoff series did Horry "win" with his shots? A reasonable definition of that would be that his shooting was the biggest single reason that his team was victorious in that series.exhelodrvr1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15874052265934108903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-46931733181685511532008-11-25T14:16:00.000-08:002008-11-25T14:16:00.000-08:00Dave, your definitions are very flawed. You are in...Dave, your definitions are very flawed. You are insisting on this idea of "clutch" which is very poorly defined or at best an incredibly small sample size - too small for anything to be counted as any sort of special skill rather than luck.<BR/><BR/>Robert Horry was a decent player. He was on some teams that won rings and wasn't worthless on them. That's a plenty fine career, but to put him in the Hall of Fame would devalue everyone else who earned their place there.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14085114964512611942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-47493508166685909272008-11-25T13:27:00.000-08:002008-11-25T13:27:00.000-08:00Isn't being a "specialist" playing a role?And from...Isn't being a "specialist" playing a role?<BR/><BR/>And from 1993 through 2005, Robert Horry was a "specialist" (in fact, the best specialist) at knocking down clutch shots to win playoff series.<BR/><BR/>Your attempt at a semantical argument is inherently flawed.grungedavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03618624498084343808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-41732949167982046352008-11-25T12:19:00.000-08:002008-11-25T12:19:00.000-08:00grunge,Not a valid argment. First of all, Rivera a...grunge,<BR/>Not a valid argment. First of all, <BR/>Rivera and Vinatieri were the best/near the best in the game at their position for an extended period of time. You cannot say that about Horry.<BR/><BR/>Second, you are confusing "specialists" with role players.exhelodrvr1https://www.blogger.com/profile/15874052265934108903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-66114114903924757822008-11-25T11:15:00.000-08:002008-11-25T11:15:00.000-08:00"not in any way instrumental in any of his teams w..."not in any way instrumental in any of his teams winning a ring"<BR/><BR/>you're joking, right?<BR/><BR/>Okay, here's your SAT-level analogy for the day:<BR/><BR/>Robert Horry : NBA<BR/>Mariano Rivera : MLB<BR/>Adam Vinatieri : NFL<BR/><BR/>all these guys are admitted "role" players who were "instrumental" in winning championships for their teams.<BR/><BR/>And Shaq, Kobe and Hakeem would not be "Shaq, Kobe and Hakeem" as you know them if Horry didn't help them win multiple rings.grungedavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03618624498084343808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5165450453057285644.post-53708293881614391862008-11-25T10:34:00.000-08:002008-11-25T10:34:00.000-08:00Hey, I'm a huge fan of what Robert Horry did at Al...Hey, I'm a huge fan of what Robert Horry did at Alabama, but if he gets into the Hall of Fame then just close it down because it will have lost all meaning.<BR/><BR/>He was a great role player but was not in any way instrumental in any of his teams winning a ring. <BR/><BR/>He played with Shaq, Kobe, Hakeem, and Duncan. Q.E.D.<BR/><BR/>Also, calling someone a "winner" is one of those things sportswriters do when they don't have any facts to back up their point and just want to say things for the sake of saying them. It is totally unprovable.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14085114964512611942noreply@blogger.com